The results from last night's events -- dominant wins for both Anderson Silva and Fedor Emelianenko -- have reopened the ever-festering debate over who is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. While the two will likely never meet in competition, fans of each fighter have their reasons why they think Fedor or Silva is the true pound-for-pound king. But which arguments really hold water? What stands up to scrutiny?
Let's take a look at two arguments from each camp, do some reductionist analysis, and see what stands up to scrutiny. The intent is not to prove one side of the debate or the other. Rankings like these are subjective and depend on each individual's point of view. But the arguments below are a good place to start in forming your own opinion of who takes the top spot.
Pro Fedor Arguments
Point: The knock on Fedor was that he hadn't fought anyone good in years. Now he beat Tim Sylvia. That should put him back at the top of the list.
Counter-point: Yes, but while Fedor was fighting mismatches, we got to see what real dominance looks like courtesy of Anderson Silva. He steamrolled the best competition in the middleweight division.
Underlying Question: Has Anderson Silva's run since he got to the UFC been more impressive than Fedor's best years in Pride?
No one has been able to figure out what the real difference in quality was between the UFC and Pride. It was assumed for a long time that Pride had the superior talent. But then Pride stars like CroCop, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, and Sokoudjou all lost their debuts in the UFC. Now, no one knows what to believe. 
What is clear is that Silva's run since he came to the UFC is nothing short of remarkable. The FightMetric system uses a stat called TPR (Total Performance Rating) to measure the quality of a fighter's performance based on six statistical components (it's like the NFL's Passer Rating for QB's). Scored on a scale between 0-100, the average score for a fight winner is 55. Here are Silva's Total Performance Ratings against his last seven opponents:
vs. Irvin: 100
vs. Henderson: 89
vs. Franklin: 96
vs. Marquardt: 91
vs. Lutter: 61
vs. Franklin: 95
vs. Leben: 100
That makes an average of 91. Fedor's average over his last seven fights is 85, but that includes wins over Zuluzinho, Hong-man Choi, and an aging Mark Coleman. Earlier in his career, Fedor rattled off a seven-fight streak with an average TPR of 92. But even then, that included wins over fighters like Yuji Nagata, Naoya Ogawa, and Gary Goodridge.
Point: Fedor has never really been beaten. Anderson Silva has three legitimate losses on his record, including one fight where he got beaten badly by journeyman Daiju Takase.
Counter-point: Yes, but that was then, this is now. We're talking about best pound-for-pound fighter now, not at every point in his career.
Underlying Question: Has Silva closed all the gaps in his game, and if not, doesn't Fedor have holes in his game too?
There's not enough data to make a confident pronouncement, but the scouting would indicate that Silva is still weak in the same area he was against Takase: defending from side control. Not being able to recover once controlled from the side directly contributed to his losses against Luiz Azeredo and Daiju Takase, and Silva showed little improvement in his first rounds against Travis Lutter and Dan Henderson.
Fedor's game has no holes that are easy to point to, except the resiliency of his skin. If not for a propensity to get cut easily, opponents have yet to find a strategy that works consistently. The win over Sylvia only strengthens the point that Fedor's greatest talent is his ability to completely neutralize the talent of his opponent.
Pro Silva Arguments
Point: Silva is a finisher. Fedor couldn't finish his three biggest fights, two against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and one against CroCop.
Counter-point: Yes, but no one has ever finished Nogueira and both got completely taken out of their games.
Underlying Question: Is beating Nogueira and CroCop by decision more impressive than finishing Dan Henderson, Chris Leben, and Rich Franklin (twice)?
The dominance that Fedor displayed in his three biggest fights is truly impressive. Using FightMetric's effectiveness scores, he outpointed CroCop 256-53 and beat Nogueira twice with scores of 386-69 and 353-159.
But the goal of every fighter is to end his fight. No one who comes in specifically looking for a decision should be considered a pound-for-pound champ. So if we assume that Fedor was trying to finish Nogueira and CroCop, it means he failed.
Silva has successfully stopped each of his opponents in the UFC. That includes stoppages over Henderson, Leben, and Nate Marquardt, none of whom had ever been stopped before. Franklin had only been stopped once before and was near the top of the pound-for-pound rankings himself before getting utterly destroyed by Silva. Remember that before meeting Silva, Leben and Henderson were thought to have iron-clad chins.
Point: Silva moved up a weight class and took out a fighter at 205. That proves he's more than just a great middleweight.
Counter-point: Yes, but Fedor competes at heavyweight, where he is often at a huge size disadvantage.
Underlying Question: Is it harder for a small guy to compete at heavyweight than for a fighter to move up a lower weight class?
The prevailing wisdom in the sport is that a fighter should compete at the lowest weight class to which he can cut safely. If he competes at his natural weight, he runs the risk of getting outmuscled by a fighter who cuts more weight than he does. Recent adopters of the wonders of weight-cutting and dropping down a class include B.J. Penn, Mike Swick, and Brandon Vera.
But Vera is an object lesson in how difficult it is to be a small heavyweight. Saturday night was Vera's 205-pound debut. Vera was on the fast track to a heavyweight title shot until he met up with legitimate heavyweights like Tim Sylvia
and Fabricio Werdum. Earlier in his career, Randy Couture had the same revelation, cutting to 205 after losing to bigger heavyweights like Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez.
The gap between middleweight and light-heavyweight is 20 pounds. Even though Irvin cut weight to make 205, he probably only outweighed Silva by 20 pounds at fight time. By contrast, the gap between heavyweight and its upper limit is 60 pounds. Fedor weighed in at 230 pounds. Sylvia has to cut to make 265 and was probably closer to 280 at fight time. Fedor was likely giving up 50 pounds. And while it was obvious that quickness beat size this time around, it's size that wins out more often than not.


















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
7-20-2008 @ 10:29PM
Tim said...
Dude? Fedor? Let's have this conversation when he stops fighting in the minor leagues.
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7-21-2008 @ 3:00PM
dsfdas said...
5 of 10 top heavyweights is minor league?
7-21-2008 @ 6:30PM
Yuriy said...
Fedor is the best no doubt about it. Look at the skill, and the toughness. He got Rocked really bad in 2 fights, one against Randleman, and the other one i forgot and still came back to win. He is the TRUTH!
7-24-2008 @ 12:36AM
Dustin said...
Are you kidding me? Fedor just beat the former UFC HW Champ and has beaten the current UFC HW Champ. He's not dropping weight to fight fights that aren't challenging, he's taking on bigger and heavier opponents. Silva is exactly the opposite, admittedly dropping weight to fight smaller guys.
7-22-2008 @ 12:03PM
bub said...
Damn this site needs someone who actually watches the sport to make the polls. Silva vs. Fedor eh? hmmm. . . sorry to break it to some people, but to put it nicely, Anderson Silva would be an immense underdog in that fight. Everyone also needs to realize silva fights in arguably the weakest division in UFC. awesome fighter, but fedor has been doing what silva has for far longer. (in many peoples opinion against much better competition when considering his entire career, not just that last couple months) Anderson looks slick when he fights, But Fedor has COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN every game plan and style thrown at him, from oppoents who themselves legends. THis is why so many hardcore MMA talk about him so much. Also in exception for Lindland, I dont think Fedor has ever outweighed an opponent since his Rings King of Kings days. Anderson Silva is on a hell of a hot streak right now, but the legacy of fedor trumps anyone whose ever fought in this sport. This is a case where an argument simply can not be made for a silva. Fedor wins 99/100 times. Put your house and saving on it.
7-20-2008 @ 10:53PM
jake said...
let them fight each other
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7-20-2008 @ 11:24PM
G said...
Let's see Fedor fight Barnett and Couture, beat both convincingly, and we'll talk about the PFP rankings. He's avoided fighting Barnett for some reason.
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7-21-2008 @ 4:08AM
billy said...
uh tim contrary to your deluded view pride was no joke.they were real pros there.fedor is the best fighter in mma!!!
anderson silva is also a real man.let them fight and see who is the better man.
if i were in charge all of those blokes ...all of them would be fighting each other.AND the women would be brawling too.sweet gina carano is a real fighter and a beautiful woman with loads of charisma.she brings alot to mma.love her.want to take her out for tea or coffee or a pint.
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7-21-2008 @ 4:13AM
billy said...
and G if you think fedor is ducking anyone you are nuts!!!
russians dont run.member ww2.they beat the rotten germans very badly.
fedor would beat randy or josh in my opinion.
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7-21-2008 @ 2:23PM
ace said...
CUNG LE - Is the badest man on the planet and would beat Fedor or Silva ! Cung Le just KO'd Frank Shamrock and is still undefeated !
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7-21-2008 @ 3:53PM
IRISH said...
Ace you really need some fresh air!
7-21-2008 @ 4:08PM
mma monster said...
1st . cung li broke shamrock's forarm because frank shamrock decided to give a good show instead of winning the fight . Had he taken down Li , there would have been a submission in less than 3 seconds ! Fedor would not care about the show , takedown and submission very early in the match . Anderson would easily out strike him and beat him in the clinch .
7-21-2008 @ 4:28PM
Ace said...
IRISH - What's your point ? Are you saying Cung Le who is undefeated and just KO'd FRANK SHAMROCK doesn't have a chance against Fedor or Silva ? I know Cung would destroy Silva, Fedor may be able to beat him if he gets a submission ? Irish - Have you ever seen Cung Le fight ? He has never lost and embarasses most of his opposition ?
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7-21-2008 @ 4:29PM
Ace said...
mma monster - Frank Shamrock got his forearm broken, because he was trying to block some of the kicks Cung Li was throwing at him. Frank Shamrock quit, because he could not go on. Finally, Cung Li remains undefeated and if Fedor or Silva decide to step up and fight him I would buy that Pay per view event. Fedor and Silva have both LOST Cung Li has never come close to losing !
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7-27-2008 @ 11:26PM
jimmy said...
fedor did not lose if you watch it he accedently throw a ilegel elbow he never got ko"d and never taped so i think he never lost elite xc is garbage fedor would beat every one in elite and ufc all in the same night
7-25-2008 @ 10:04AM
Ace is funny said...
I am a Cung Le fan and all. (viet) but he does not have a chance against Fedor or Silva. lets be more realistic. Silva against fedor..ummm fedor is heavier and would knock silva out with the quickness.
Silva is quick but fedor is a rock. Cung le would get rocked by both.
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7-24-2008 @ 7:58AM
Ace is a moron said...
Exactly. Cung Le is a disgrace; you know what they should do in that joke of an organisation called Elite XC? Have that little maggot compete against Kimbo Shite. But not after Frank rematches him, and goes out there to win, not to put on a show.
7-21-2008 @ 6:31PM
bb360f49 said...
why do people try to compare fighters pound for pound ? and why do people always seem to name the bigger fighters in that comparison. first, there are too many absolute warriors out there these days to say any one man is the best. at any given moment most of these guys are capable of finishing each other. if uriah faber or jens pulver were 205 or 215 who knows what could happen so pfp comparisons are fantasy talk in my opinion. now if you brought silva down to 165 and faber up to 165 what would happen? its kind of a nonsensical debate.
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7-21-2008 @ 6:56PM
whatever said...
Whatever, cung le sucks. Silva or Fedor would destroy him
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7-21-2008 @ 8:04PM
Ace said...
Cung le is 6-0 with 6 knockouts and one of those knockouts is against Frank Shamrock. So you Fedor and Silva CHEERLEADERS waving your POM POMS need to know that Fedor and Silva have lost and Cung Le has not come close to losing ! Any of you WHITE BOYS want to fight this ASIAN ? No you don't ! go play Golf !
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