Hours after losing to Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture appeared at a UFC 91 after party, and in talking to RawVegas.tv, he made clear that Lesnar isn't the best heavyweight in MMA:
Asked if Lesnar is a bigger threat than Fedor Emelianenko, Couture answered, "No, I don't think so. I think Fedor would probably tear Brock up at this point. I think Brock has a ton of potential, obviously. He's getting better each and every time he steps out. But he still has holes in his game."
I think basically everyone who follows MMA would agree with Couture: Lesnar is not ready for Fedor. Still, something else that Couture said bothered me.
"I just got caught, it happens," Couture said. "Some people say you'd rather be lucky than good any day."
Sorry, Randy, but you didn't "just get caught." Even before Lesnar knocked you to the ground and jumped on you in the second round, he had beaten you in the first. All three judges scored the first round for Lesnar, as did I, as did everyone else I've heard from who scored the fight.
And Lesnar wasn't "lucky." He was strong enough to send you to the canvas with a powerful strike, and quick enough to pounce and hammer you before you could recover.
In short, Lesnar did to Couture what Fedor would do to Lesnar: He tore him up.


















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11-16-2008 @ 7:22PM
Targae said...
Didn't you know using the cop out "I just got caught" is the latest big trend for fighters? Not only does it justify a terrible loss but it makes them feel better inside.
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11-16-2008 @ 7:52PM
Tom said...
I agree with Randy. I expected Brock to crush Randy, but Randy looked good. I was beginning to think that he was wearing Brock down and would win in a 5 rounder. Quite simply: he got caught. I would like to see a rematch. Anyone who seriously watched the fight and understand MMA agree that Randy did "get caught".
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11-16-2008 @ 8:40PM
Wilhite said...
I agree that Lesnar has alot to learn about MMA, but after only 3 previous fights you have to hand it to him he is a force to be reckoned with, for Couture to say he just got caught, come on Randy you know as well as I do that is just not going to fly, of course you got caught that's the name of the game when you trade shots with someone. Getting caught means there was a opportunity and Lesnar pounced on it, it's not like you were at a bar and someone sucker punched you, it was a UFC fight and that's what happens. Don't get me wrong I am a Couture fan but when you number is called just go and take your medicine.
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11-16-2008 @ 9:14PM
Aldo said...
Obviously before the fight Randy made it perfectly clear that his plan was to wear him (Lesnar) out. Randy knows his limitations (age, size, strength and the fact that someone else was just as good or even better at wrestling). He got caught by a punch to the rear side of his skull and if you punch your self there just softly you'll know how it feels. I think Lesnar / Couture was a close fight... Yes Lesnar took him down but it wasn't as easy as he thought it would be... and by the end of the first round Lesnar looked like as if he was gonna gas out in another round or two. And that was randy's plan all along but he got caught by a punch to the back of his head. I do agree Lesnar has great potential but his holes are bigger than his ego allows him to realizes and if he doesn't soon enough other people are going to make it clear... I give Lesnar 2 or 3 more years before he becomes the best pound for pound fighter. But right now even old man randy could have gotten a victory if he were to avoid Lesnars super heavy handed punches. Till now Fedor is the one that can beat him along with a few other people that haven't yet made a transition into MMA but are just as good or even better than Lesnar.... Like for example Blagoi Ivanov the Bulgarian who had just beaten Fedor at his own game Sambo Wrestling.... There are big fish out in the sea Lesnar should take the next 3 years seriously.... cause someone out there is going to be more hungry than him and will snatch that title from his humongous hands.
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12-05-2008 @ 7:33PM
Turkey said...
Fedor was beaten in sambo because he does not train pure sambo anymore. The guy who beat him was a "pure" sambo player. He would probably not do very well in MMA
11-16-2008 @ 9:36PM
notdumb said...
Getting caught is exactly what happened. Its not an excuse. Why everytime a fighter says this people cry hes making an excuse? Randy got caught with a huge right hand that is what happened and that is what he is saying happened. Watch the fight again and tell he wasn't caught. You guys are tards!
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11-16-2008 @ 10:17PM
Brian said...
He is right. Randy didnt "just get caight". Randy got beat both rounds. I too had Lesnar in the first round. Brock is a beast. He is a very fast and athletic heavy. The only person I know that would beat him is Fedor. I say give Brock another year or 2 and he will beat him.
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11-16-2008 @ 10:43PM
MikeO said...
I don't think there was anything inflammatory intended by Randy's statements. When you watch the interview what he said sounds a whole lot less insulting than how it sounds written here. Also, I don't think Brock can take even guys like Nog or Mir (as Mir has already proven) much less Fedor at this point. He has a ton of potential and strength, but he is very prone to getting subbed and that's an aspect of his game he's really going to have to work on.
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11-16-2008 @ 11:09PM
Sackolantern PSN ID: johnnynumber5 said...
I scored the first round for randy. He was able to get off his back and caught Brock with some good shots. In my opinion Lesnar hit him with a punch and the rest is history. Randy is past his prime though he is still a force to be reckoned with. I think brock Lesnar = Kimbo Slice. Brock is a fraud and a charlitan. Brock will get owned by Miotauro and then fall back into anonymity. He is having his 15 minutes of fame. Any real MMA purist knows that Brock was gassed, reacted poorly to being cut and has a suspect chin. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
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11-16-2008 @ 11:48PM
cbizzle said...
you scored it for Randy? how can you be an MMA purist if you cant even score a round? and Kimbo Slice lost to a sparring partner, he couldnt even step in the ring with their horse-roidin champion, much less beat a legit champion (like Brock did). and Brock didnt look like he was that exponentially more gassed than Randy. heavy breathing isnt always 'gassed', a good example being the murderous right and swift g&p that he hit while 'gassed'. Brock got caught in his first fight more than Randy in this one, but he didnt say it. he focused on getting better, not making excuses. that 'suspect chin' took a few good shots (unless you concede Randy got in no offense), and the 'poor reaction to being cut' was what? knocking Randy out? what a terrible reaction.
11-16-2008 @ 11:15PM
patrickgamil said...
i'd give the first round to brock although randy contrilled a lot of it. brock had to grab the cage and was puffing a bit.
he was cut. so while brock ws looking very good had he not got that punch at that time things could have gone differently - maybe the cut would have gotten bad on brocks eye.
given that oerformance i'd pick brock to beat randy %70 of the time.
fedor would humiliate brock99/100 x's
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11-17-2008 @ 4:04AM
craig said...
Randy is still too cool!!!
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11-17-2008 @ 4:44AM
devin said...
I guess rug burn on the top of his head really hurt from that punch grazing him cause he went down like bricks. I think he threw this fight for his cut of the pay per view proceeds he always thought ufc didnt pay him enough and i bet they give him a nice pay check to let them get the belt off of him and run with lesnar as he has more media hype , the whole " is he the real deal crowd" ? then couture can come back for a rematch for more pay per view bucks or he can concentrate on other things hes free now he took the money and ran you can see he threw the fight.
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11-17-2008 @ 8:25AM
matt h said...
Some of you have no idea about MMA. Randy got a shot after 3 fights and there are a few more as well. Why the hatred of brock? Wrestlers convert well to MMA do look at the UFC hall of fame
Dan Severn, Randy, Mark Coleman, Yet brock has a better wrestlng pedigree than all of them and is so much more physically gifted. Faster, Stronger Quicker. If he wasnt in the WWE would he get the same disrespect. The first round was close, i gave it Lesnar. . Randy could defeat lLesnar in a rematch but it probably wont happen and stylistic not a good match up for Randy.Brock wrestling didnt look no way near as good against the natural!!
Brock is very inexperienced as shown in the fight V Mir, yet ina rematch i think brock would smash him! Brock is improving fight after fight!
Hes true tests will be NOG & Fedor, Submision fighters alays trouble wrestlers!!!!
I agree Fedor is ina different Class still!!
Brock in my opinion still has alot to prove, beating NOG will be a big step, Yet with that much talent it will be an interesting fight.
How can this be bad for MMA since purists wanna see him lose, and it invites a new crowd of fans and possible athletes!!!!
He is far from being the no 1 heavyweight but with a few more years behind him he may challenge Fedor. Brock is one of the hardest working athletes out ther!!!!
Dont get me rong as a MMA fan its hard to see someone new to the sport come in and beat a true champion. Alll i got to say is look at the hall of fame all Wrestlers & Submision fighters!! Hopefully chuck will gt his spot as a noted striker!!!
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11-17-2008 @ 8:06PM
Rosco said...
I'm still not sure how #8 gives that round to Randy. I'm not going to try to figure it out.
Watch the two of them between the first and second rounds and tell me who's gassed. Randy was really sucking wind, and the fatigue from trying to hold Brock against the cage showed in the 2nd.
I think Nog and Gonzaga could give him trouble, but that's about it out of people currently under UFC contract. Carwin and Velazquez are scary too. I think Brock would handle Mir if they fought again.
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11-17-2008 @ 10:24PM
Plato said...
Disingenuous article with a rather curious response thread. Your issue is a non-issue calculated to stir emotions rather than objectively inform. As a general rule I rather appreciate your blogs and the effort you put into providing MMA information. Your offerings typically demonstrate professionalism and respect for the fighters you cover but here you appear to slip a bit. The problem with this particular effort is that you misrepresent what Randy is doing and then seem to take a personal shot at him. Point one: Randy was not disrespecting Lesnar. When Randy said that he "got caught," despite comments to the contrary, he was not making an excuse. He was articulating an objective review of what, in his view, transpired. In the vernacular, "getting caught" is a self-criticism, not a personal attack nor an excuse. Point two: Randy did not get "torn apart." He got knocked out by a legitimate punch during a competitive fight by a very good, but "limited" (Lesnar's self-critique) fighter. Great fighters can and do lose to less technically proficient fighters, it happens in the fight game. In many respects, this is what makes MMA such a dramatic art form, it can end at any moment with the "better" fighter on the losing end of it. MMA is an unusual animal where if you lose your focus for a split second or misjudge distance or speed just one time the fight can end just as quickly as the error is discovered. Point three: Fighters know what the term "luck" means. It is the sometimes inexplicable convergence of a series of disparate events that work together to create a magical moment where the unthinkable materializes. To say that Lesnar was "lucky" is simply to say that he was in the right moment, in the right place, and at the right time. Lesnar was just that. We need to remember that great athletes create their own luck and despite your attempt to characterize Randy as making excuses and disrespecting Lesner, Randy has the highest regard for a man who is a "great" athlete and clearly, without question, on his way to becoming "the baddest man on the planet."
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11-18-2008 @ 10:27AM
jimbo said...
Surprise for me was that Couture nullified Brock's main advantage - huge size and wrestling skills. Brock dominated Mir and Herring with power but in this fight Couture for the most part was controlling Brock.
Couture's wrestling is much better than Brocks and considering he is so much lighter, his conditioning is better too. Brock's reach (and some impressive striking) made him dagerous to box with but Randy landed some nice hits. First round, Randy controlled the fight more, both of them landed hits and Brock got two takedowns (but didn't do anything). Randy had a very good takedown effort and had Brock lifted off the ground but cage holding is what kept Brock upright. Brock probably won the round (if you don't want to deduct a point for cage holding).
Randy achieved what he wanted to achieve and did look to have Brock starting to tire. Can understand Couture saying he got caught. Although Brock's hit was thrown with the intention of hitting the front/side of Randy's head, it surely wasn't intended to hit the back of the weaving Couture. The positioning of Couture and the placement of the punch to that part of the head makes for a pretty nasty hit.
Having said all that, Brock has shown that for a huge guy he is fast, powerful and has fairly decent stamina (although this I feel will be a weakness). He can wrestle, ground and pound and also strike fairly well. He can also take a fair hit. Against a good wrestler though, he can be exploited, and as long as a good submitter doesn't get KO'ed by him, he can look quite vulnerable at times.
Nog and Mir I think will ge beaten by Brock if they fight him. Brock is too fast and powerful and will be able to man-handle them. With his punching/ground and pound (that will only improve) he has a good chance of being able to knock them around and avoid being submitted (unlike Lesnar v Mir I).
Randy is on the money when he says Fedor would take Brock out. Fedor is a strong wrestler (like Randy he will counter Brock's wrestling), so won't be knocked around. But he is also an explosive striker and a great submitter. He would find the holes and beat up Brock.
Would love to see Randy v Fedor!
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11-18-2008 @ 11:51AM
Eirik said...
Plato said...
It best. Period, point blank. Not fueled by emotion, or bias Just plain intellectual insight for the game.
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11-18-2008 @ 5:20PM
Eric said...
What does it matter who won the first round? Randy's only chance was to win a close decision by getting the late rounds or winning by submission.
People know one thing after watching this fight ... Brock has decent standup. And with his size and power it's actually pretty good standup!
I hoped that Randy would fight him in the clinch and on the ground and take advantage of Brock in the transitions ... which he was somewhat successful at in the first round (Nearly had Brock's back).
I could tell that the standup fight wasn't going to go Randy's way ... when they came together throwing punches at the same time, Randy looked vulnerable. I'm not sure why Randy came into the fight with that strategy. Brock didn't damage him at all on the ground.
I was impressed by Brock, but lets not go overboard: Randy is older, smaller, not a good striker, not a good submission fighter, and he had been knocked out 4 times before this fight!
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11-18-2008 @ 6:20PM
Eirik said...
"Eric said...
I was impressed by Brock, but lets not go overboard: Randy is older, smaller, not a good striker, not a good submission fighter, and he had been knocked out 4 times before this fight!"
Do you even watch MMA? Who are the 4 people that have knocked Randy out? I admit Brock is a diff kind of animal & that he def came out on top because of his athletic prowess, but to say Randy cant strike, & isn't a good submission fighter makes me think you just stopped watching the WWE when Brock entered the UFC... I'll be waiting for those names too. Thanks.
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