It wasn't long after Anderson Silva beat Forrest Griffin at UFC 101 before the inevitable chatter began anew. Would Silva move up to light heavyweight full-time? Would he perhaps vacate his middleweight belt? And would he ever agree to fight his close friend and training partner, 205-pound champion Lyoto Machida?
While Silva and his manager Ed Soares say that Silva "wants to be in the biggest fights" whether at 185 or 205, they also say that he would never take place in what could be the biggest: a champion vs. champion matchup against Machida.
The friend vs. friend debate is nothing new in MMA. After all, there are only so many top-notch camps producing world-class talent. But it is a topic that needs to be revisited.
Mixed martial arts has faced a long road to respectability in the mainstream, as it's taken time to educate fans and others that this is a real sport with real athletes. But now that we have that established, we can't be surprised when some of those new observers question why two friends refuse to face each other in a true sport.
Quick quiz: Name another sport in which friends refuse to compete against each other?
If you're having trouble, it's because that sport doesn't exist. Many will say that MMA is different, and that because of the violence involved, the athletes should be given a pass. This is simple doublespeak. We have spent the last several years defending MMA by pointing out that the sport is safer than boxing and just as safe as football, so given that, what's the problem?
Are Machida and Silva reluctant to do it for fear of hurting the other man in the cage? According to a three-year Johns Hopkins University study on MMA, the most common injury suffered in a fight is a facial laceration. The second most common injury is an injured hand. Almost 60 percent of fights ended with no injury to either fighter. Why then, won't they compete against one another?
"Lyoto is my friend and my brother. There is no way this fight will happen," Silva said after UFC 101. "Also, not only because he's a friend, but because he's a problem for me [in the cage]," he said with a wry smile.
Boxers fight their friends all the time. Mickey Ward and the late Arturo Gatti became friends after their first classic encounter and then proceeded to face off in two more wars. Chris Byrd and Jameel McCline were so close before their 2004 bout that they'd baby-sat each other's kids. Even Wladimir and Vitaly Klitschko – who are not only training partners but blood brothers – have considered squaring off against each other for heavyweight supremacy. And in football? Friends have no problem putting a bone-jarring hit on each other, then lending a hand to help each other up.In MMA, however, there is an entirely different mentality. Three members of American Kickboxing Academy – Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch and Mike Swick – all happen to be top welterweights in the UFC, and all of them say they would never fight each other. What a terrible position it would put the UFC in, then, if Fitch won the title and Swick and Koscheck were the No. 1 and 2 contenders. The UFC would essentially be forced to leapfrog an undeserving contender above them, not to mention that Swick and Koscheck would risk the opportunity at the title -- something that might never come again.
I grant you that there is something unsettling about hitting a close friend in the face, but these men, after all, are in the business of fighting, and while training together, they beat up on each other for free. Stories abound of teammates knocking each other out in sparring sessions. Yet for some reason, they refuse to do it in front of a crowd.
Silva vs. Machida would be a fascinating matchup that many fans would love to see, featuring two fighters who are nearly impossible to hit and incredibly accurate in their striking.
UFC President Dana White says he'll find a way to make the fight if Silva runs through another 205-er or two and Machida is still the champion. That sounds like it would be 12-24 months into the future, so it's possible that one or both might lose between now and then, and White won't have to deal with this mess. But then again, Silva hasn't lost in over three years (11-fight win streak) and Machida's yet to taste defeat in 15 bouts, so what happens if fans start clamoring for this fight?
Somehow, Silva still sees his ultimate destiny coming against Roy Jones in a boxing match, but Jones is already 40 years old and way past his days as a pay-per-view draw. It seems obvious that a matchup with Machida under the UFC banner would much more of a test and much more of a financial windfall, but tragically, MMA fans may never be treated to such a classic.
If this is truly a sport and its practitioners are truly athletes who want to test themselves against the best, Silva, Machida and the rest should re-think their position on fighting friends. If this is truly a sport, these athletes should be professional enough to put their friendship aside for three (or five) rounds, knowing that their battle wounds will heal and their bond will be unbreakable after their shared experience.
Right now, Silva and Machida are two of the world's elite. But which man is better? Sadly, we might never know.
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
8-10-2009 @ 9:09AM
mrm3x1can said...
What ever happened to the Silva vs St.Pierre talk? Shouldn't he get passed all those guys before going to light heavyweight?
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8-10-2009 @ 9:16AM
Eric said...
Silva is willing to compete with a couple hand picked opponents at 205, but he won't fight THE BEST at 205 because of a friendship??
Now who's ducking competition?
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8-10-2009 @ 9:36AM
Jer said...
Yeah, I rally want to see Silva VS GSP!!
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8-10-2009 @ 10:17AM
Niv said...
I find it very funny how many people have just written Shogun off and assume Machida is going to still be champ after his next fight.
Shogun has all the tools and toughness to beat Machida, I'll be shocked if Shogun doesn't win the UFC title.
If Shogun wins and Silva doesn't step up to fight him then I'll say he's ducking competition, seeing how Silva has been bad mouthing his ex- Chute Boxe buddies lately.
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8-10-2009 @ 7:04PM
thompson said...
yeah, force them to fight againest there will, friend vs friend, teammate vs teammate now that would be fun to watch and it would be great for the future of the ufc
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8-10-2009 @ 10:45AM
Chazz said...
This isn't just about friends fighting friends. Anyone who has either fought or wrestled competitively knows how hard it is to compete in a match/fight with someone that you train with everyday. When you're training with someone day in and day out, you know everything they do; all their little secrets that other opponents might not have knowledge of. You know how they move, you know when they're about to get aggresive, and you know how they react. you can pretty much predict every single thing they do, therefore it becomes very difficult to compete against that person in a non-training environment. Not to mention, when two people who train together everyday are put in that kind of situation, it's usually a very boring competition. In my opinion, this is why Lyoto and Anderson don't want to, and shouldn't fight one another. Wait for GSP to heal up, then put him in the octagon with Silva. If GSP has matured enough to get over the intimidation factor that psyched him out the first time he fought Hughes, that could make for an interesting bout.
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8-10-2009 @ 10:47AM
winewordswisdom said...
It may seem a bit old fashioned, but I think the reason friends refuse to face each other in MMA is because of the sense of honor unique to great martial artists. (I don't mean that other athletes have no honor, I just mean that martial art's has its own set of moral rules.) Silva and Machida probably spar all the time, but they won't compete because that would compromise the respect they have for each other, and the respect their fans have for them. I know that, though my sparring partner and I are in the same weight class, I would never meet him in competition. I'd forfeit first. (I do not in any way think we're comparable to Machida and Silva skill wise, it's just a 'dojo' thing.)
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8-10-2009 @ 12:28PM
claytor said...
Sounds like excuses to me. This is a business, not the Neopets friend camp. If the matchmaker Joe Silva determines this to be the best fight for the fans, then it should happen, training partners or not.
Do you have any idea how many fighters who have fought each other have trained with each other before, or shared camps at previous points in their careers? I guess Silva and Machida are more than just good friends? Who knows.
Business. Its never personal.
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8-10-2009 @ 12:53PM
itsmejwb said...
Silva is scared of getting beaten by Machida.
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8-10-2009 @ 4:03PM
kwilbur10 said...
no. i think the idea of a superfight is great. but usually the results don't end up as good as imagined. thats why i believe that this fight should never happen. plus they train with each other everyday. so if you want to watch them fight. ask soares for permission to view a sparring session.
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8-10-2009 @ 4:28PM
TROLL said...
I don't know if its true or not, but on Machida's Wiki page it says Machida fought his brother in a karate match. Im sure he won't have a problem getting in the octagon with Anderson Silva. Hopefully Silva will see that a fight between the two will not ruin a friendship if they are true friends.
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8-10-2009 @ 5:36PM
mitch said...
Didnt Franklin and Silva become freinds after their first fight?That didnt seem to matter.This may also be a way of getting more money out of the UFC or maybe they really wont fight.But,I think if Dana throws enough money at them they will throw down.
Also like Niv said Machida has his hands full with Shogun.
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8-10-2009 @ 10:30PM
cantstopdrinkin said...
You have to think about a few different exceptions when thinking about this issue.
- This sport involves many fighting styles that involve extreme discpline and demand mostly (I say mostly because every so often a freak of nature body type wise like Brock will come along and can just overpower fighters) respectful,mannered,centered,well behaved,and almost zen like athletes. Unlike NFL,NBA,etc. type leagues that require just pure ahtletic skills and any type of personality can get in.
-Also only a few other major sports (golf,tennis)involve one on one matches and neither involve straight up striking each other. Yes football and basketball have one on one matchups at certain positions but its not the same as just one fighter against another. Yes the boxing argument that in the past friends have gone up against each other is the one that makes the most sense and contrast well , but as i stated above MMA involves certain fighting styles that instill respect and discpline much more then boxing does. If you notice there are MANY more boxers that come up from poverty in "the hood" then MMA fighters. more MMA fighters come from other nations were displine is more of a factor in society.
Im not really on either side i was just stating what i feel are the main reasons for most of this instead of the media drivin reasons. But i could certainly be straight up wrong and maybe Silva just doesnt want to fight someone he knows can beat him. But seriously writer dont compare sparring to real fights. The fighters go into a fight with a MUCH different mentality then they do sparring with a best friend. To truely want to defeat a guy a fighter has to go into the fight with almost a live or die mentality and its really hard for some of these guys who have trained in these respectful arts to have that going against a best friend. But as i said i could be wrong and he may just know he will lose or something, just stating my opinion....
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8-11-2009 @ 2:01AM
immortalwarlock said...
silva shouldn't have to give up his belt to fight out of his height class he should be beat to have it taken away and what if he beats machida then what. allot of you are missing the big picture like what will we do after we see that fight. what next silva gsp .not nearly as entertaing. so i think the ufc should keep feeding silva 205ers till we get some more competition for him besides the champ
8-11-2009 @ 2:01AM
immortalwarlock said...
you are completely wrong the entire hood revolves around honor and when you show disloyalty that's when you get your ass kicked. and on average if u try to fight some one it better not be some one you roll with no matter how much money you get cause nobody likes traders no matter what sport your in you can always play fight with two friends but fighting for real is not something alot of us we do especially with someone u consider to be a brother
8-11-2009 @ 12:26PM
rjohnson2842 said...
Silva - GSP perhaps still possible, but does gsp want that fight, w/ the weight gain and hard prep, not to mention training to fight the best p4p fighter (alot to ask of GSP)?? IMO GSP would fight smart, try some takedowns stand a little and try more of the same, but eventually succomb to silva w/ strikes. Many say machida would beat silva and thats why silva does not want to fight him, they say silva won't exchange unless his opponent is not engaging, both I believe r inaccurate. I believe that since they both know each other's style then silva will defeat him in the scramble,#1 Silva is the most verstile standing silva will attack w/ or w/out the opponent engaging. #2 standing silva will probably be winning cause he will stalk and or counter depending on his gameplan, and machida is mostly counter - you guys saw him and forrest & silva was saying come on lets bang, and verses cote he mostly countered #3 machida tried twice to take rashard down, failed but he tried and thats where the fight w/ him and silva will be won, not strikes only cause machida will strike and then try the sweeping takedown and thats where the fight will be won, silva will counter w/ the knee in the clinch and or counters of his own. machida and silva clearly can go either way but i got silva cause he has more tools, in the standup, machida is highly skilled don't get me wrong and he has shown an ability not to be hit but if rashard can land two when he countered machida what do u think silva would do? besides silva won't exactly run all the time when machida strikes, and there will be some grappling w/ both made ready for the grappling situation, silva will try to clinch and land w/ machida trying the sweeping takedown, and BAM machida will get caught. Then silva will finish w/ strikes... just my IMO
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8-11-2009 @ 2:11PM
cantstopdrinkin said...
I would agree that some hoods have a certain form of honor. But they do no instill discipline or respect for anyone other then themselves. These other arts teach both of those things. Just look at what happens to most of the athletes that come from the hood - theres an article every other day about one of them gettin arrested and if they fall out of the league they usually get into really deep trouble.
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8-11-2009 @ 4:37PM
markovitsj said...
U can simultaneously hold a title in 2 different wieght classes. Both Hendersonson & Silva done it in Pride. U just have to make weight the night b4 a fight in that given weight class. So I think it would b awesome to see Silva defend titles in both 185 & 205 weight classes...
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8-11-2009 @ 4:41PM
markovitsj said...
The only person in the 185-205 weight classes that might stand a chance of beating Silva is Cung Lee but he hasn't fought in a long time!
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11-06-2009 @ 8:30PM
jbuggthehero said...
In my opinion, that was a stupid article. Fighters can't have choices on who they fight? Are they animals for viewers to watch for their own entertainment? I think people are just over hyping an Anderson and Machida fight. The fight wouldn't be all that great since those guys train together and probably have each others fighting styles on lock. and if it was a slow fight, audience and dana white would be quick to jump on their asses.
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