Brett Rogers Gets Call to Face Fedor Emelianenko in Strikeforce Debut

I wonder if Rogers will quit his day job to train for the baddest man on the planet.This just seems a little to soon for Brett to be fighting Fedor.I guess we have to get used to these highly skilled guys going at it now though.A real challenge for the p4p king huh?

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No, no. This isn't too soon for Brett Rogers to face Fedor imo! Rogers is ready. Fedor has been ready for whomever. This is a dream match for me because I think Rogers has the ability to beat Fedor, and just some fighters chance. Can't wait to see the date set. Fedor will lose! :-)

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I hope aFredor gets KTFO!!!! WAR ROGERS!!!

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good night fedor.......hopefully, i used to like him but in recent time i got sick of hearing his name and i like rogers so im pullin for him

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He will beat Fedor then Strikeforce will go out of business. Its too predictable.

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i talked to rj, and he said he will toss fedor's salad to prepare him for rogers

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I believe that this is the only guy on the planet that can beat Fedor. Rogers is bigger than Brock Lesnar and he hits a lot harder. Fedor will be givibg up 5 inches in height and probably 60 pounds. It will be interesting to see if Fedor can overcome such a huge size difference. He has done it his whole career and thats what makes him the pound for pound best but this may be too much. If Rogers beats Fedor, watch Dana and the UFC go after him even though they claim they already have the best heavyweights in the world.

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Rogers will get payed big money to let Fedor submit him and Strikeforce will survive a couple more promotions.

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I think some of these comments like. Rogers is the only guy who can beat Fedor. Are more than a little strange. Have you seen Rogers fights? Yes he won, no there's nothing really wrong with his wins, OTHER than the fact that LIKE FEDOR. His competition hasn't been the best. A bunch of fat guys who are "wannabe" MMA fighters. Brett hasn't ever faced anyone who even THOUGHT of attempting a submission. Ever ask yourself WHY Brett is the guy Fedor WANTED to fight after it was apparent that the Barnett fight fell through? Not all that said, Rogers does have the KO power to finally put Fedor down. Fedor is overrated too so it's not like it's impossible, but from a skillset point of view I would gave SEVERAL fighters a better chance at finishing Fedor than I would give Rogers.

I am however REALLY REALLY hoping that Rogers pulls this off and KO's Fedor so we can have beautiful gifs to shove in the faces of people who worship at the alter of the false idol, Fedor.

Fedor's good. Maybe he is the best (though I HIGHLY doubt it). But all he's proven thus far is that he can beat nobodies and peripheral fighters and a few one dimensional "name" guys.

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Cliff, how many times do I have to write a book to tell you that Fedor has fought many of the top heavyweights at the time he fought them and that he has proven way more than any other heavyweight in MMA. Name me one heavyweight that has proven more. I said that I believe Rogers was the only guy that could beat Fedor. I didn't say it was fact. We have had these discussions on other posts and my arguments are better than yours so I don't have time to go through these discussions with you again because you just can't accept the fact that there's a chance your argument is wrong. I know that I could be wrong with my arguments but you have never given any facts to make me think differently. You just follow the UFC hype machine which is the best MMA organization but there heavyweight division isn't that much if any ahead of Strike Force. All of their supposedly top heavyweights are young guy that haven't proven as much as Fedor. Lesnar might could beat Fedor. Who knows, but Fedor has definitely proven more than Lesnar has in their careers.

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Should be a good fight if nothing very quick either way. I give Rogers as good a shot as any to beat Fedor.

The shame of it all is if Fedor wins people will say Rogers is nothing but a no talent hack who couldn't make it in the UFC and if Rogers happens to win people will say Fedor finally got exposed when he fought an above average fighter. Both comments are extremely hyperbolic in nature and aren't accurate in the least bit.

Outcome: I expect Fedor to win in the first round via submission. He will probably rock Rogers, take his back and sink in a deep rear naked choke.

To be honest I don't see a big difference talent wise between Rogers, Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez or Dos Santos. They are all prospects with different attributes. Rogers may not have the wrestling pedigree but he has good strength and size.

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Joe, I don't think exactly accurate to say that your arguments are better than mine, of course YOU think so, but I'd be interested to see what an unbiased observer would have to say. That said, here is a bit of my Fedor argument I had with someone else. Because I got tired of all the ambiguous bogus, "WAR FEDOR" "arguments"(i hate that saying...W** anything is just annoying) Anyway..here you are sir..

[QUOTE=mvancleave;32964279]Damn with the title being double negative I opened this thread to be a smartass, but after reading it I couldn't agree more. Anyone can remain unbeaten fighting sub par competition.[/QUOTE]

EXACTLY. Fedor is without doubt the most overrated fighter in history. I think he's been managed very well with an eye to keeping his record intact to ensure he remains a profitable fighter.

Does anyone think Tim Sylvia is anywhere near the greatest fighter in the world?

Yet at one time he amassed a 23-2 record. Not bad eh? Look at Rashad Evans, now I think Rashad is legit, in fact I think Rashad would stand a GREAT chance at beating Fedor. Rashad went 18-0 in the UFC. I think that's FAR more impressive than anything Fedor has done.

For Fedor's it's all about his record. 30-1. Yeah sounds incredible.

Jeremy Horn was 34-4 at one time...yeah..WOW COULD HE BEAT FEDOR..PRETTY NUMBERS!!

Fedor has never had to PROVE he's the best fighter in the world. 6 of his wins are no name guys. The remainder are primarily people on the very peripheral edge of recognition..like you MAY have heard the name before. The rest were past their prime fighters, OR fighters that were dominant in an age when the sport was still young, when rudimentary skills got you far.

Does anyone honestly think that Royce gracie in HIS prime would get anywhere beyond mid level at that at 170? When everyone knows the BJJ game? Not a chance.

Fedor has alot of wins like that too. People who were considered names when the sport could be ruled with one dimension.

Here's Fedors no names-

Martin Lazarov
Levon Lagvilava
Hiroya Takada
Mihail Apostolov
Ryushi Yanagisawa
Egidijus Valavicius

Theres 6...subtract that and you are at 24-1..hmm..getting warmer.

Peripheral names.

Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (yeah the guy with the fake win over Fedor..I'll call it what it is..Fake...BUT..he also counts as a win for Fedor when they fought later.)
Lee Hasdell
Chris Haseman
Yuji Nagata
Naoya Ogawa
Zuluzinho
Kerry Schall
Gary Goodridge

Okay....take those out...you get no credit for beating them..fair is fair..remove the loss too because it's fake we're at

16-0 ...hmm...who else did a few better than that? OH yeah 18-0 Rashad Evans! Becoming clearer?


Now we get to the semi-names who had success in an earlier era..and I'll admit..here we start to see some decent wins..that DO HAVE MERIT

Ricardo Arona (though there is controversy with the win)
Renato Sobral (Light Heavy)
Semmy Schilt
Heath Herring
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Mark Coleman (one dimensional)
Mark Coleman (one dimensional)
Kevin Randleman (one dimensional)
Mirko Filipović
Mark Hunt (who hasn't beat this guy in MMA?)
Matt Lindland (Middleweight...come on)
Hong-Man Choi (again...come on)
Tim Sylvia
Andrei Arlovski

There it is kids..THE WHOLE RECORD (im missing one I think and I don't know who..this isn't intentional..if anyone can add it..PLEASE let me know because I want this to be the BE ALL AND END ALL OF FEDOR OVERRATED POSTS...

Let me start this part. These being the "name wins" makes them the most crucial. DOES ANYONE DISPUTE that ANYTHING other than these last 13 names matter in the P4P debate? ANYONE?

Here we go..

Arona..legit 1-0

Sobral ..LHW does anyone consider him a good argument for P4P? Fine I'll include 2-0

Semmy..Had he ever beaten anyone important? No..has he lost to people he shouldn't have if he was that good..yes..THIS ONE DOESNT COUNT 2-0

Herring..This is an on the fence on..never been super impressive but was good enough to threaten NOG...so what does that say about NOG? we'll count it..3-0

Noguiera Twice..We'll count this as legit 5-0

Coleman Twice...Does this really count? He a pound for pound great? His biggest wins are over OTHER one dimensional legends from times past (Severn, Frye) We'll count 1 win to balance it. 6-0

Kevin Randleman ...beat Rizzo and Sobral..other than that..lots of losses? Still we'll count it to be REAL nice. 7-0

Crocop..because I don't want to do another one of these posts for him we'll count it..though I think he's really been overrated as well..8-0

Mark Hunt...NO DICE...still 8-0

Matt Lindland...middleweight...I don't really want to include this but again lets be nice 9-0

Choi...*sigh*..NO 9-0

Sylvia 10-0
Arlovski 11-0

There you go guys...living in the real world being SUPER generous to Fedor he comes out at

11-0 .... Just like Shane Carwin...is Carwin the best in the world..

Now if you ask me...to be utterly honest..I'd take out Lindland, Coleman and Randleman...with questions about Sobral..but still minus first 3 he's at..

8-0...We see this record EVERYDAY in the UFC..who hasn't done this?

To me..this conclusively proves that

A. The heavyweight division is historically weak.
B. Fedor is NOT the best ever...at the least not with certainty.


Come on guys...to you HARDCORE Fedor guys...this doesn't make you think even a little?

Think about it

Cheers!

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almost forgot... fedor will beat rogers likely in the first round. if rogers goes after fedor like he did arlovski, he gets KO'd, rogers moves like a slug on the ground so i think he'll try to keep it standing, but if he does go to the ground, fedor will sub him quick. bret rogers doesnt have a chance.

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Richardbikle says -

"fedor has fought the best they put in front of him and never lost,"


Really? And who would that be? To say he fought the 'people they put in front of him' is true. But were they the best? Or were they just the people in front of him?

Are you referring to Noguiera? Who almost got TKO'd by Herring round one? Or perhaps Crocop? Who I'm sure, had someone said to you Crocop is fighting Kongo you'd have said something like.."Oh Mirko is going to destroy him in round one. WAR CROCOP!!!!" OR perhaps Gonzaga. I'm sure you were just waiting for a patented Mirko kick to the head, knock Gonzaga out cold.....oh...yeah...

Or Sylvia? Who was whooping Noguiera like a redheaded stepchild until that (admittedly brilliant guillotine)? The guy who was beaten by a 45 year old MMA fighter and a 50 year old boxer?



Richard Bikle - "and those guys you question, like coleman... if you remember, he was the ufc champion; randleman is an absolute beast, but not good enough for cliff...
i could go on, but you're blind."


You might fare a little better in this debate if you'd read the post in question. Did you miss this?

Cliff - "fighters that were dominant in an age when the sport was still young, when rudimentary skills got you far."

Cliff - "Does anyone honestly think that Royce gracie in HIS prime would get anywhere beyond mid level at that at 170? When everyone knows the BJJ game? Not a chance."

Fedor has alot of wins like that too. People who were considered names when the sport could be ruled with one dimension.

See what I mean? Royce today wouldn't even get halfway up the WW ladder. And there is a reason why Coleman is fighting at LHW now. Coleman was a champ when you didn't have to be a true great. Or was Shamrock REALLY the most dangerous man alive?

So yes, I remember Coleman being HW champ, just like Shamrock being the LHW champ. Couldn't cut it against a guy who would later drop to 185.




RichardBikle - "Oh cliff, every ufc HW (and most the other fighters, ufc or whereever)considers fedor the best in the world. how is it he gets so much respect from fighters but is over rated according to cliff. that dribble above is clueless."


Right...every UFC heavyweight like Frank Mir who just said Lesnar would destroy Fedor, and also said that Fedor is dodging top competition so he can retain his standing. Right those HW's.

People also though Torres was unstoppable, until he was stopped. Who's talking about him right now? Or remember when Jens Pulver was going to drop down and beat the unbeatable Faber? Right...And remember when it was going to be a big deal when Faber might lose to Pulver? Right...Remember when Condit was going to come over and reclaim HIS WW title from GSP? Right....

This is what happens when you fight the best, you win some you lose some. Then there's Fedor who'd rather just not.

I know it EASIER to just call someones argument "dribble" (though I'm sure you mean "drivel") without ACTUALLY disproving it. It's like if I came back in response to your last post and just said. "Nuh-uh! You're wrong!" Yeah it's easier but it doesn't PROVE anything. You have YET to even make a case much less back it up with logic or fact. You basically just said. Fedor's the best. Cliff's wrong.

Not convinced.

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