On his way to winning the DREAM Featherweight Grand Prix,
Bibiano Fernandes advanced past
Joe Warren with an armbar 42 seconds into the
DREAM.11 fight, but the semifinal win wasn't without controversy.
As soon as Fernandes released the hold, Warren stood up dumbfounded, essentially claiming there was no tap and that the referee stopped the fight too early.
"I don't think it was a position where I couldn't keep fighting in," Warren said afterwards of his position, where he was belly down with his left arm trapped in the armbar. "I don't think I was in danger. I think I would have overpowered him and killed him if I had a few more minutes with him. Third fight, problems. Not much I can say. Mistake I made but I think I could have fought out of it."
As bad as a position Warren was in, there is an escape. Warren could have pushed down his right hand towards the mat and hopped around to his left and over Fernandes into side control.
But the way Warren was trapped with his arm already straightened out, especially against a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt in Fernandes, more likely than not, Warren wouldn't have been able to.
From the video above, from that angle it appears Warren taps – albeit subtlety-- at least twice and the referee quickly enters to stop the fight. If you want to give Warren the benefit of the doubt, you can say that he was adjusting his hands, but that's quite a bit of a stretch. Another possibility is if it was a "phantom tap," where you tap in hopes of the referee not seeing but your opponent releasing hold and you keep on fighting. Only Warren really knows.
Warren's reaction after the fight may have also been less about how the armbar played out but simply due to the shock of the loss itself. He's a three-time gold medalist in Greco-Roman wrestling coming off two straight upsets in MMA and had thoroughly convinced himself that he would win the entire tournament.
"I'm not used to losing, It's a new feeling for me," Warren said. "It doesn't feel good. I'll go back to the drawing board and I'll be better next time."
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
10-08-2009 @ 1:53PM
piprocks666 said...
no neede even for discussion here. of course he tapped. another brute wrestler losing to the arts. get back on your protein shake sore loser. just the fact that this kids trying to say he didn't tap shows us he's not a honest competitor. looks like a cheater.
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10-08-2009 @ 5:49PM
richardbikle said...
dont be sacared of wrestlers just because you dont understand... its ok, theres lots of couch critics. go comb you hair or something you're good at.
10-08-2009 @ 1:56PM
piprocks666 said...
thats called an armbar. they don't teach you that in weightlifting class.
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10-08-2009 @ 1:59PM
piprocks666 said...
better yet, i have a great idea. how bout you sign with the ufc. they love brute wrestlers. they can easily make you into a ppv draw. make the kids have to pay $45 to see you. they'll even tell the judges that if it's a close decision, with you holding for 3 rounds, to give you the win.
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10-08-2009 @ 2:07PM
piprocks666 said...
they need someone to take junie browning's place.
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10-08-2009 @ 2:13PM
jmend25 said...
Yup, he tapped. Bibiano was one of the favorites for a reason coming into this tournament.
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10-08-2009 @ 3:19PM
Eric said...
Who cares whether he tapped or not. That armbar was locked and Warren wouldn't have escaped without a broken arm.
Good stoppage.
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10-08-2009 @ 5:52PM
richardbikle said...
actually, i didnt see him tap. he may have, but i couldnt see it.
a armbar face down doesn't have near the leverage as face up, that is an escapable position.
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10-09-2009 @ 1:39PM
Eric said...
It may be escapable for a high level jui-jitsu fighter who makes an immediate attempt to escape, but Warren didn't attempt and was going no where. Bibiano could have easily hyperextended or broken the arm in that position. My opinion anyway.
10-09-2009 @ 12:10PM
ppostrategic said...
His next opponent will make sure to break his arm next time and not wait for a tap, I agree with the "phantom tap" theory he tried to use but the ref saw it and stopped it.
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10-09-2009 @ 12:13PM
bdure said...
Looked like his hand bounced when he hit the mat. Easily mistaken for a tap.
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