MMA Top 10 Light Heavyweights: Shogun Moves Up With a Loss

umm Fedor is #1 on the pfp list. He always has been on every list I have ever seen. Even GSP and Silva have said them selfs that Fedor is the best and would beat them, so how could a fan know better than the actual fighters who say that Fedor is the best?

I usually try to respect people's opinions on these boards, but your comments are just too stupid to respect.

Naw! There is no such relationship between Fedor fans and Machida haters. First of all, 95% of MMA fans are Fedor fans. And 95% of MMA fans are Machida fans. 95% of MMA fans are Shogun fans.

If by "fan" you mean a nuthugger then those numbers might be different.

There are NO Pride fans anymore you moron. Pride is dead. Shogun is as much a UFC fighter as Lyoto. Lyoto did not make name in the UFC. His career launch was in Japan just like Shogun.

I think I understand you. You are a recent UFC fan (probably started watching around 2003) and were an occasional Pride viewer. You know the big names in Pride such as Fedor, Cro Cop, and Shogun but didn't follow Pride.

After seeing how Shogun beat Lyoto, I have to totally change the ranking system.

First of all, LHW is deeper than MW and HW. There is only one complete fighter in HW and that is Fedor. There is only one complete fighter in MW and that is Anderson. But in LHW you have two (maybe 3 if you count Mousasi)complete fighters. By complete I mean, not only wellrounded but also great in every aspect of the game.

Fedor doesn't have a rival. Anderson doesn't have a rival. Lyoto and Shogun are rivals. As of now Fedor and Anderson are tied P4P Kings. But the winner of Lyoto and Shogun could potentially lead to new king few years down the road. If Shogun dethrones Lyoto and defends his title against, Evans, Forrest, and a rubber match against Lyoto...then he will be considered better than Fedor in P4P ranking.

P4P ranking is different from "GOAT" or "most influential ranking". GOAT and Most Influential goes to Fedor no matter what happens. He will be remembered as Muhammad Ali of MMA.

Fedor and Rua fans remind of republicans. Always talking about how Anderson gives Fedor credit. Anderson is mad at Dana. That's why he says what he says. As far as GSP. Check his interview after Forrest fight. He said Silva was "CLEARLY" the best.

Rua fans are just desperate.

You people are like republicans. Repeating the same old arguments. Keep looking for birth certificate and death panels. But Fedor is not even in my top P4P list. He hasn't beaten nobody just like Rua never even deserved a title shot.

Every time EXP writes, the collective IQ of this board takes a downward hit. How he bridges from Fedor and Rua fans to "republicans", is just asinine.

Watch some fights, and maybe even try it yourself, before filling up the comment section with such idiocy.

I am just so glad that Dana closed down that hole called Pride. The stars are all overrated. Rua, Fedor. Rua wouldn't last a round with Machida if Lyoto didn't have the Flu and wasn't preparing himself for a Lesnar fight. Listen. Rua is good but he lost to Forrest Griffin. He shouldn't even be in the UFC. He should be in MFC fighting Houston Alexander or something. God!

Here are my predictions: Roger knocks Fedor out in 20 seconds. Carwin beats Lesnar in 1 minute. Lyoto wins another UD against Shogun. Fedor will go on a 10 fight losing streak and his mafia friends find another person to replace him. M1 goes bankrupt.

I am neither Fedor or Machida fan. But kid you talk about bias and bla bla but you are unrealistic. You are what we call a Fanboy. Dana WHite (the white don king) said the same thing about the ref. Wonder where you got your quote from parrot? Machida was clearly exposed in this fight. People won't look at him the same anymore. SOrry, post all the comments you want but the guy lost

exp also said people who thought Machida lost to Rua were racist because Machida has a Japanese dad.

The guy is an idiot. Just ignore him.

@exp

For a guy who hypes up having the flu as a reason for losing yet says Shogun is overrated because he lost to Griffin after having to consecutive knee reconstructions leading up to the fight you are as big a hypocrite as it comes.

Whats funny is that Anderson Silva was a .500 fighter in Pride (2-2) and Machida also fought in Pride.

Just stop it already. You've already ruined what little credibility you never had in the first place.

You sheeple are what's wrong with this world today. Just repeating what Dana said or that guy said or whoever. Machida was clearly ill. I am telling you 95% of Fedor fans are Machida haters, internet tough guys with no job, or people who have no clear understanding of how the fight works. Fedor can fight cans, and he is the best ever. he is jesus. Machida wins a close fight and he is a sham. Like I said, keep looking for that birth certificate. I'll be enjoying the rematch with Machida winning another UD. I am sick and tired of you people coming to Fan House and talking Fedor all day.

@johnny5 You are the most biased person here. I am not biased. I saw the fight 6 times if not more. Shogun did not win the fight. But you keep repeating what little Rogan told you. oh well. If you believe what Rogan said or Dana said, I've got a nice bridge on the moon to sell ya.

Umm I believe what I saw with my own two eyes.

Thats like me telling you if you believe what Ed Soares told you because his opinion is the same as yours. Doesn't make any sense and it also doesn't make you look any less stupid for saying people who thought Machida lost are racist, xenophobic and old Pride fans. Whats it going to next people who believe in aliens? Idiot.

@exp

http://www.cagepotato.com/lyoto-machida-drinkin-piss-lovin-life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UYEL729G7s

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A case can be made for Cane, but Sobral and Jardine definitely don't belong IMO. Sobral has fought "less-than" competition recently (Whitehead, Southworth, Sokoudjou) and was completely dismantled by Mousasi. And Jardine ... well, let's be honest, he gets himself knocked out on a regular basis these days. Seriously - did you not see the Alexander, Wanderlei, or Silva fights?

The previous post is disagreeing with the writer's choices for Top 10 LHWs and mentioning fighters who were left out, the topic the article was about.

Jon Jones
Luiz Cane
Rogerio Noguiera ...

They all belong on the list instead of Griffin, Franklin and Henderson imo.

Mousasi should also be much higher on the list.

johnny,
i'm totally with you on jon jones and little nog.
for some reason luiz cane draws a blank for me.
also the winner of vera/couture should possilbly be up there as well, and possibly given a title shot.
and dude, i can't wait till mousasi gets to the ufc. although if hendo goes to sf that should be an instant match. and a good barometer for mousasi.
although i do think hendo should stay at mw.